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sara_hyperactive · May 5, 2007

mahshad_modiri گفت:
hi...
ok,it's a nice way to speak english for me...
because it is a wonderful site and all the best things are in english in the world, so it's better to type english here.
thanks alot.

dear mahshad,
welcome to this topic. i wish you'll find it intresting and useful :gol:

sara_hyperactive · May 5, 2007

dear elahe,
it's a very nice idea but i agree with maral. i think here with these few member we can not have a chance to use your idea. maybe it's better to experience it in groups that are not virtual. here we can not be sure that everyone have this time to watch a specific movie. ofcourse it's my idea. what do u think, other memeber?l

elahe_2323 · May 5, 2007

I think watching a movie doesn t require so many times .by watching movie not only we can discuse about it but also we can improve our listening,however,i m follower of members opinion :gol:

moongirl · May 6, 2007

dear friends please aware me from new subject

maral55 · May 6, 2007

dear sara
how about suggesting some ideas and then wanting from the members to vote for it
for example each member suggests an idea
and one other thing i wanna to say
please every one join to us in this english talk i think it can be much usefull for everyone

maral55 · May 6, 2007

moongirl گفت:
dear friends please aware me from new subject

dear moongirl
since you are the only persons who follow the topic
whats your idea about the next topic
?

elahe_2323 · May 6, 2007

maral55 گفت:
dear sara

how about suggesting some ideas and then wanting from the members to vote for it
for example each member suggests an idea
and one other thing i wanna to say

please every one join to us in this english talk i think it can be much usefull for everyone

dear maral, thanks.its very good idea

moongirl · May 7, 2007

hi
are you ready to disscusing about Islam?

maral55 گفت:
dear moongirl

since you are the only persons who follow the topic
whats your idea about the next topic
?

maral55 · May 7, 2007

moongirl گفت:
hi
are you ready to disscusing about Islam?

dear moongirl
Im agree with every topic you and others choose only talking in english is so impoertant and enjiable for me so i dont care the subject much
but dont you think islam in general is somehow a n extended topic?
is it better too choose a perticular side of that?
for exmple wemon in islam or some other thing you think its better

moongirl · May 8, 2007

whtever you thing better I am agree with

sara_hyperactive · May 8, 2007

hi everyone,
i agree with islam topic more and then we can follow elahe's subject
and about islam i think it's better that we talk about sth that we have problem in them or we doubt if they are wronge. and ppl who belive on that specific theory can defend it.

خانمي · May 9, 2007

thanks from all

maral55 گفت:
welcome my dear

elahe_2323 گفت:
welcome khanumi

maral55 · May 9, 2007

sara_hyperactive گفت:
hi everyone,

i agree with islam topic more and then we can follow elahe's subject

and about islam i think it's better that we talk about sth that we have problem in them or we doubt if they are wronge. and ppl who belive on that specific theory can defend it.

very well
so can i start?
one of the things i dont beleive is the rights of wemons in islam i dont think it is a real
claim.

moongirl · May 9, 2007

but what wrong you think about women in islam?

maral55 · May 10, 2007

moongirl گفت:
but what wrong you think about women in islam?

I think all the things are wrong about that

they dont have much of the human rights for example in divorce or or in the whole life i think men have all of the rights

moongirl · May 10, 2007

but in islam who has right has duty instead

maral55 · May 11, 2007

well god where are others
sometimes i turn very upset seeing this topic as you all know this is a scientific site and poeple who are here almost enginiers but what has happen we see only few in this topic
i hope this not be becuse of english and buisness be the main problem

and dear moongirl
i think in a life both tow side i mean woman and man has the same right and same duty i can not accpet that wemon has no duty as we see even wemon have much more duty in a life
and the other thing i dont even think it is a relation between right and duty they are 2 independent things

the main thing i want to say is that surly a wemon should has divorce right when ever she wants and its not related with any other thing

sara_hyperactive · May 12, 2007

hi everyone.
sorry that i couldn't come these days. you know i am soooo busy but i never forgot this part :gol:

l

about the topic as i could understand you want to talk about some problems that you noticed in islam, one of which is the cases related to women in islam and their rights. actually i should say that i have this problem myself too. you know many rules in islam have changed gradually by MEN who prefered to make women stay at home and have this power to be the Boss in the house. so at first i should say that many of these rules are not in Quran. but i noticed many others which are present in Quran. and i searched alot to know the reason for these diffrences in islam. i asked a lot of moslem but actually i never could be satisfied by their EXCUSES.

sara_hyperactive · May 12, 2007

now i want to mention sth
you- moslems here- can say me what's the reason that a man can have more than one wife simultaneously while a woman doesnt have this right. it's terrible and i had a lot research about that but all of them were irrelative talks.

moongirl · May 12, 2007

dear maral
yeah two sides of life have right and duty.Islam is speaking about the equal rights ... anybody can says that women hav not duty wheras they are doing most difficult parts of life.
but I am not agree with your second sentences the relation between right and duty I think when you are playing a role in society instead of the duty that you have and in the case of your role you have some rights like teachers who are eaching and aganst of their teaching thay have some rights
but in the logical cases the women can divorce very easily when they are suffering in a life they can divorce

maral55 گفت:
well god where are others

sometimes i turn very upset seeing this topic as you all know this is a scientific site and poeple who are here almost enginiers but what has happen we see only few in this topic
i hope this not be becuse of english and buisness be the main problem

and dear moongirl
i think in a life both tow side i mean woman and man has the same right and same duty i can not accpet that wemon has no duty as we see even wemon have much more duty in a life
and the other thing i dont even think it is a relation between right and duty they are 2 independent things

the main thing i want to say is that surly a wemon should has divorce right when ever she wants and its not related with any other thing

maral55 · May 13, 2007

sara_hyperactive گفت:
hi everyone.

sorry that i couldn't come these days. you know i am soooo busy but i never forgot this part l

about the topic as i could understand you want to talk about some problems that you noticed in islam, one of which is the cases related to women in islam and their rights. actually i should say that i have this problem myself too. you know many rules in islam have changed gradually by MEN who prefered to make women stay at home and have this power to be the Boss in the house. so at first i should say that many of these rules are not in Quran. but i noticed many others which are present in Quran. and i searched alot to know the reason for these diffrences in islam. i asked a lot of moslem but actually i never could be satisfied by their EXCUSES.

dear sara
yes some of these rules are not in quran but as i heard priests of Islam says that we have serached and studied for many years in quran and finally we find out that rules that they are hiddn in this holy book
and only we can find and understand the rules of islam not the other poeple
i think this is not a logical answer but they say that

maral55 · May 13, 2007

sara_hyperactive گفت:
now i want to mention sth

you- moslems here- can say me what's the reason that a man can have more than one wife simultaneously while a woman doesnt have this right. it's terrible and i had a lot research about that but all of them were irrelative talks.

im agree with this note too
may be there be someone who can answer to this question

maral55 · May 13, 2007

moongirl گفت:
dear maral
yeah two sides of life have right and duty.Islam is speaking about the equal rights ... anybody can says that women hav not duty wheras they are doing most difficult parts of life.
but I am not agree with your second sentences the relation between right and duty I think when you are playing a role in society instead of the duty that you have and in the case of your role you have some rights like teachers who are eaching and aganst of their teaching thay have some rights
but in the logical cases the women can divorce very easily when they are suffering in a life they can divorce

dear moongirl
if i understand you right your saying that men have some duties in life and becuase of that they have some rights too
is this your mean?
if its correct i have to say then wemons must have equal rights too becuase of their duties
about the right to divorce i dont think so
i have seen many many wemons who suffer and abused very bad by thier husbands they have done anything but even they cant be aparted
i have to mention that onl y only phiscical abuse cant be a logical reseon for divorce
there should be other rules to help a woman in this case

maral55 · May 13, 2007

i wanna say one other inequality in our sociecty that i have seen that myself
suppose that a young woman with her child that her husband have deid
she is living alone she has to work to pay for her child she hase done anything for her child i have seen that myself her child is going to the best schools and the best classes he has even better life than his classmates who have father
now after all this works she has done for her child she has find out that he cannot be succsed in this country and for better life for her child she has decided to move to a foriegn country for the best life and study
now the grandma and grandpa s of this child come sudenly his grandpa went to court and proscribed him from goning outside country
and our country s rules acually islams rules have agreed that and they said that he can decide for this child becuse his father has deied and after him grandpa can decide for him
now you tell me is this law right?
after all of this eforts his mother shouldnt have minimum right to decide fo rhis son?

moongirl · May 13, 2007

I think in all of the cases the childs mother is deciding for him but I think it is the right of grandma and grandpa to see their child of their boy sometimes.... but maybe this rule is some unfriendly but maybe in Iran the child has beter life and I wish it

maral55 گفت:
i wanna say one other inequality in our sociecty that i have seen that myself

suppose that a young woman with her child that her husband have deid
she is living alone she has to work to pay for her child she hase done anything for her child i have seen that myself her child is going to the best schools and the best classes he has even better life than his classmates who have father
now after all this works she has done for her child she has find out that he cannot be succsed in this country and for better life for her child she has decided to move to a foriegn country for the best life and study
now the grandma and grandpa s of this child come sudenly his grandpa went to court and proscribed him from goning outside country
and our country s rules acually islams rules have agreed that and they said that he can decide for this child becuse his father has deied and after him grandpa can decide for him
now you tell me is this law right?

after all of this eforts his mother shouldnt have minimum right to decide fo rhis son?

moongirl · May 13, 2007

dear maral
I dont know how much you are family with islams rules but what is going in the family is one of mens duty and they will answer to God about it.
and I said that islam prepare equal rights for women but not exactly as mans.
yeah you are right but not phisical abuse the mentional the economical and the wrong features of men.

maral55 گفت:
dear moongirl

if i understand you right your saying that men have some duties in life and becuase of that they have some rights too
is this your mean?
if its correct i have to say then wemons must have equal rights too becuase of their duties
about the right to divorce i dont think so
i have seen many many wemons who suffer and abused very bad by thier husbands they have done anything but even they cant be aparted
i have to mention that onl y only phiscical abuse cant be a logical reseon for divorce

there should be other rules to help a woman in this case

maral55 · May 14, 2007

moongirl گفت:
I think in all of the cases the childs mother is deciding for him but I think it is the right of grandma and grandpa to see their child of their boy sometimes.... but maybe this rule is some unfriendly but maybe in Iran the child has beter life and I wish it

dear moongirl
i dont mean especially this case i mentioned it as a sample
acually i mean that in a life a man and a woman has the same right about geting decision for thier child but i think gradma and grandpa are in the second step
especially when they had done nothing for a child!!
its not fair when the mother is paying for the child and take care of him sudenly they show up and say something or geting a desicon about anything not only remianing in the country
and i think the right rule is that when a father has deied all of the decicsons about childs must be turned to the mother
as you can see the same thing about those girls who father has deied and they want to get married then you can see that they want grandpas or uncles permision
and i think this its teribble and even an insult for the mother
as she has done anything in the whole life for her dauther and now for marraige her uncle should be asked this is not fair at all

maral55 · May 14, 2007

moongirl گفت:
dear maral
I dont know how much you are family with islams rules but what is going in the family is one of mens duty and they will answer to God about it.
and I said that islam prepare equal rights for women but not exactly as mans.
yeah you are right but not phisical abuse the mentional the economical and the wrong features of men.

dear moongirl

so i think you have to go sometimes in the islamic couts in iran and see all of the wemons who are abused mentally phicsicaly and what ever you think and they dont even want money from thier husband they only want to get aparted but you sould see their misrable life
a womans request is not just about economic things
but the sufficent rules for court is only not paying money from husband or phisical abuse

moongirl · May 16, 2007

But my dear friend
I think in other cases the mother is deciding for her child but I think grandma and grandpa has this much right to see him and only see him. and In islam when mother died deciding about marrage( if it is a girl) is by grandpa maybe because the activities which shold be done by father now can be done by grandpa as his a man and he has the same abilities. But just grandpa can decide and I know that the uncle can not decide. and you know that the writen permission is not too much important which is important is the dauther can not marage without her ums permission because of her sens.

maral55 گفت:
dear moongirl

i dont mean especially this case i mentioned it as a sample
acually i mean that in a life a man and a woman has the same right about geting decision for thier child but i think gradma and grandpa are in the second step
especially when they had done nothing for a child!!
its not fair when the mother is paying for the child and take care of him sudenly they show up and say something or geting a desicon about anything not only remianing in the country
and i think the right rule is that when a father has deied all of the decicsons about childs must be turned to the mother
as you can see the same thing about those girls who father has deied and they want to get married then you can see that they want grandpas or uncles permision
and i think this its teribble and even an insult for the mother

as she has done anything in the whole life for her dauther and now for marraige her uncle should be asked this is not fair at all

moongirl · May 16, 2007

luckily I did not go to family court yet but what I hear is what I said but I heard that if a woman realy suffering from her life because of ligical reasons she can divorce but maybe you have experimences and observations that I am not aware from

maral55 گفت:
dear moongirl

so i think you have to go sometimes in the islamic couts in iran and see all of the wemons who are abused mentally phicsicaly and what ever you think and they dont even want money from thier husband they only want to get aparted but you sould see their misrable life
a womans request is not just about economic things

but the sufficent rules for court is only not paying money from husband or phisical abuse

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